Both players are optimistic about playing against the Raiders, but just in case, Coach Romeo Crennel said he is prepared to make a move from the practice squad, which would mean activating Paul Irons.
Heiden has 39 catches. He needs one more to become the first tight end since Ozzie Newsome caught 62 in 1985 to catch 40 passes.
PROPS FOR ALVIN: Orpheus Roye gets most of the attention among Browns defensive ends because of the season he is having, but Crennel likes the way Alvin McKinley has played. McKinley has 64 tackles in his first season as a starter. Like Roye, he played defensive tackle in the 4-3 defense in the past.
"It's something to build off of," McKinley said. "You want to come out and work hard every day. That's something positive coming from him and I appreciate that. I want to continue to work hard."
Crennel said McKinley could play nose tackle, but he needs to add more weight. He weighs 285 pounds and McKinley said he'd have to put on another 20 pounds or so.
TURNER DEATHWATCH: Norv Turner already is in trouble. The Browns could put the final nail in his coffin if they win and drop the Raiders to 4-10.
"When you're struggling like we are, those articles are going to be there this time of year," Turner said in a teleconference. "In terms of our team, our guys have done a good job of focusing and staying in a week-to-week basis, and that's what I'm going to do. The time to have those conversations is at the end of the year."
HOBBLED, BUT MOVING: Charlie Frye continues to wear a black support sleeve on his sore right knee. He moved around in practice Thursday with no problem.
At one point, each quarterback threw at a net which has pockets attached to it. The idea is to not only to hit the pocket, but to get the ball to stay in the pocket. Frye and Trent Dilfer hit the pocket, but Derek Anderson was the only one to make the ball stay.
NO TO ANTONIO: Forget about seeing rookie Antonio Perkins in 2005. Since he was inactive the last 11 games he probably wasn't going to play anyway, but he broke his left hand when he fell on it in practice Wednesday, and on Thursday he wore a huge cast that looked more like a club. Crennel has said Perkins can still play on the 'show team,' which is the unit that mimics the the opposing defense.